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Quizzicism (1)

by Zettel 

Posted: 13 April 2005
Word Count: 33
Summary: Idle musing

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A Quizzicism

I think I know
what you believe
I know you think
that I believe it too
But if I don't
and you do
how to decide
if its true?

Zettel 2005

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jewelsx at 16:58 on 13 April 2005  Report this post
I had fun reading this out loud however i kept on stumbling on the second last line.

shouldn't it be something like
how do i decide

maybe its just me and it all makes sense to everyone else

great idea


poemsgalore at 18:13 on 13 April 2005  Report this post
I love it, a real conundrum.

Al T at 19:19 on 13 April 2005  Report this post
Z, this is far too complicated for me! Are you going to put us non-logicians out of our misery and provide a solution? My gut feeling is that the answer to the last line is "you don't" - time either to give up or make a leap of faith.


Zettel at 21:52 on 13 April 2005  Report this post
Thanks guys.

Just a musing about a philsophical idea -the difference between knowledge and belief, especially about people. No solution - hey I'm a philosopher right? Most screwed people on the planet - after psychotherapists.

Ideally a little thought pebble for the smooth surface of the mind. A ripple-maker.

Insofar as there is an 'answer' I'm with you Ad - with people its about trust without proof. (That's enough of a break - back to Helen and the book!)

Thanks all for joining me in what I call play.





The derision of elision.......

...so when I said philosophers are "the most screwed people on the planet"...you knew I'd missed out the 'up' right? You really didn't think I meant.........might be true of the psychotherapists though.....

Maybe this is where I make my excuses and leave before I talk myself into real trouble.......



The Walrus at 21:03 on 14 April 2005  Report this post
I have read this blasted piece countless times and am still trying to get my head round it. The only comments I can make are:

Is your belief based upon whether the other person believes it is true, what does that say about your belief? and,

I am always wary of 'belief systems'. In my experience they are artificial structures/props to enable people to navigate/control the inexplicable/unknowable.

Not sure if the above constitutues a valid comment and despite the brain-ache this piece presented me with, I found it challenging.


Zettel at 00:45 on 15 April 2005  Report this post

Thanks for having the patience to comment at all. I took a couple of philosophical ideas and just wrapped a few words round them. One of those ideas is what freaks like me - philosophers - call the problem of knowledge of other minds: how is that we can know something of a another mind? The other is what is the difference between knowledge and belief?

Stir these together with the dangerous word 'think' which can be used to express belief and knowledge and mere opinion and.....well I guess that's why a called it a quizzicism.



Ambitions of Lisa at 22:35 on 15 April 2005  Report this post
I read this once..... then I read it again.... and now I can't get it out of my head. I think its great, although I'm not sure I interpreted it as I should have. I get a philosophical, wondrous feel from it.

Ticonderoga at 13:52 on 16 April 2005  Report this post
A gem of brevity, concision and wisdom. Philosophophy rocks - if you'll pardon the pun!




Mmmm - philosophy rocks too!

Zettel at 13:13 on 18 April 2005  Report this post
Hi Mike, Lisa.

Looks like the pebble sent few ripples.

More than satisfied.

Thanks for the comments.


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