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NOT SO CHEAP!

by Joella 

Posted: 08 October 2009
Word Count: 783
Summary: This is the first in a series of poems about Happy Bottom. The poems actually build into a series of adventures, though some mainly introduce characters. They are humorous, maybe some parts more enjoyed by adults. The individual poems interlink, like chapters in a book. Incidentally - Happy Bottom is a real place not far from where I live and the River Piddle is only a couple of miles down the road.


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MAJOR PAYNE IN HAPPY BOTTOM

(Happy Bottom and the River Piddle are both in Dorset).

NOT SO CHEEP! ©

Major Anthony Payne served in the army
retiring to live in the town
But the hustle bustle and traffic noise
was really getting him down.

He dreamed of life in the country
not too far from the coast
And one morning his prayers were answered,
when a letter arrived in the post.

Ewe Bean Done & Co solicitors
wrote of an Uncle, he’d long forgotten
The Major astonished to learn,
he’d died and left him his Bottom.

Well, Happy Bottom, to be precise
an estate in the vale of the Piddle
The Major brimmed with excitement
hoping it wasn’t a fiddle.

The next day in his old Bentley,
he drove to the small town of Dimple
Pondering along the way ...
why are all country folk simple?’

He had a Degree from Oxford,
about which he wasn’t that vocal
But would he be able to hack it
with a bunch of swede bashing yocals?

The town of Dimple looked festive,
bright bunting adorned the Square
The Major arriving on time
for an appointment to meet with the Mayor.

The Mayor addressing a large crowd,
their patience beginning to wane
“Derry Ayres Happy Bottom...”, he told them, “
“... is now in the hands of A. Payne.”

Everyone cheered and applauded,
the day had finally come
All pleased to meet the Major
if not a pain in the ... neck?

A street party was held in his honour
it was like the festival of Swoon
For the Major itching to see his Bottom
it couldn’t end a minute too soon.

The Mayor and a party of Dimpletons
took the Major to view his new home
But Happy Bottom was a disappointment
and its garden was all overgrown.

Hardly a rose covered cottage
the Major didn’t know what to do
‘Well, maybe,’ he thought, ‘ a little TLC,
will have the place brand spanking new?’

He thumbed through the Dimple Directory,
for a builder he thought would be cheap
But most were far too expensive
with prices right out of his reach.

Eventually, his searching proved fruitful
there were a couple he thought that might do
And after further deliberation,
he picked the best of the two:

Wally & Son
Creative, Spectacular
award winning designer
of cheep houses....
No job too small............
Tel. Peckcorn 666999

He liked the idea of a ‘cheap’ house,
but not the fact Wally couldn't spell
decided though, not to inform him
as he mightn't take it too well.

Major Payne considered his options
planning the home of his dreams
But when he met Wally on site
all was not as it seemed.

Wally suggested he send plans
drawings of what he would build
But the Major said, “Don’t bother.
I hear you’re the best in this field.”

The Major returned to his home
to prepare for his new way of life
And with thoughts of country cooking
considered the need for a wife!

Finally, all was ready
cheep house admired by all
But the minute the Major saw it
his pride was in for a fall!

“Well, do yeh like it?” said Wally
satisfied all was complete
But the Major, boiling in his own blood
thought only words he dare not repeat.

‘Like it?’ he thought, ‘I couldn’t live in it.
Wouldn’t put a dog in it, that was for sure.
By golly, I wouldn’t put my granny in it
and she’s been dead forty years or more!’

“Anything wrong?” asked Wally?
“Have you noted something I’ve missed?”
Major Payne inspected the building,
and drew up the following list :


He’d bricked up the door
Put holes in the floor
As for the light?
You could star gaze at night.
The fireplace had no fire
Electric sockets, no wire
The kitchen had no sink
The water you couldn’t drink.
The floorboards were too short
The doors were too narrow
The stairs, far too steep
And the bath was too shallow.
The sliding door wouldn’t slide
Windows were few
Cupboards had no sides
And it didn’t have a loo !

Then adding insult to injury
as everyone crawled over his Bottom
Wally went back to his van
collecting what he had forgotten.

Handing the Major a clucking sack,
“Two cheepies,” he said with a grin
‘Cheep’ ,,, means.... chicken’, twigged the Major
wanting a hole to crawl in.

The Major was humiliated
voice little more than a mumble
And deep down in his pipe work
he felt an embarrassing rumble.

Humbled, to swallow his pride
he felt a right nincompoop
When Wally presented the key
to his new and unique chicken coop!






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NMott at 10:44 on 08 October 2009  Report this post
Loved the poem. Great fun.

Not sure if you wanted any feedack, but I'll post some anyway but it's all subjective so feel free to ignore it.

Couple of bits - not sure about the Major calling country folk simple. I know it rhymes, but perhaps he could say the lifestyle is simple or something.

The line: 'They hope wouldn’t be a pain in the neck.' stuck out because it didn't rhyme and the point had been made more subtly already with the 'A. Payne' line.

The Wally & Son verse/advert could be made to rhyme.

The verse about the spelling of "cheap", with the line 'But decided not to inform him', I assumed it meant the Major was put off by the spelling and wasn't going to offer him the job. Maybe make some other pun of the spelling rather than point out it's wrong. Also I assme 'cheep' has something to do with the punch line, so it's not necessary to point it out to the reader at this stage.

But the Major said, “Don’t bother.
I hear you’re the best in this field.”

- Because of the earlier confusion with the 'cheap' verse, when I read 'don't bother' I assumed he didn't want Wally to do the job.
Maybe change it to something like 'Not necessary...'?

And she’d been dead..
- she's

a live sack
Not sure about 'live'.
Maybe: wriggling? squarking?....?


Humbled, to swallow his pride though
Confused me a little - not sure about 'though'.


Great ending
Really loved it.


- NaomiM

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This is the sort of thing that would go down well in your local newspaper - have you considered submitting it to the editor?

Ben Yezir at 11:30 on 08 October 2009  Report this post
Ha! Very funny. I don't know anything about poetry, but this made me smile. Telling a story in rhyme over an extended period is a very old art form, though hard to pull off. So good luck!

Freebird at 20:24 on 08 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella,

just my cup of tea! I loved all the puns (Derry Ayres etc) - it really made me smile.

More please!!

freebird

Joella at 22:37 on 08 October 2009  Report this post
Thank you Naomi, Ben and Freebird for the positive comments. I'm so glad you like Happy Bottom. I'll be posting a good deal more, probably in the order in which it is planned for the book. I'm currently working with an animator who is designing the characters. Any views /advice on self publishing would be most appreciated. Regards, Joella.

NMott at 23:23 on 08 October 2009  Report this post
A couple of us have self-published childrens books, and it is a lot of fun - especially the selling direct to children bit.

One thing not to do is go into it thinking it's a way to get an agent or publisher's attention. It's not. They really don't care about self-published books, unless one starts selling in the thousands and it spreads by word of mouth as being a 'must have' book.

Don't bother with an ISBN number, don't bother getting it listed on Amazon, and don't expect to get it into Bookshops - except maybe your local one, who might agree to take a couple of copies on a 'sale or return' basis if you talk to the owner nicely.

Go for a 'limited imprint', ie, a couple of hundred copies via your local printers - which will probably cost you in the region of £1000 if you want it to look like a proper paperback with a colour lithograph cover. If you have colour pictures inside it'll cost more, and if you want Hardback it'll cost more again.
Make sure you get the illustrators written permission to use the pictures for advertising the book - so you can copy them on a website, make up cards, etc.

For numerous reasons I don't have time to go into here, don't go for Print On Demand. Partly because it's a childrens book and parents simply won't bother to go to the time and trouble or ordering a copy.

Best places to sell are at craft fairs and school fairs, and offer to give talks on creative writing in your local primary schools to drum up interest in the book.


Good luck.


- NaomiM

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If your local newspaper agrees to print any of it, it might get an agent interested. So worth trying before going the self-publishing route.

Joella at 07:41 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Thanks for the advice Naomi. I have been considering POD, but will view it more carefully now. I've been thinking of going into schools to promote the book. I have already bought a domain name - www.happybottom.co.uk In your honest opinion, is getting an agent or publisher the best route, even though they take a large percentage of the profit? Given that Happy Bottom and the River Piddle are both in Dorset, I wondered if I could self publish and generate interest through local paper, radio stations, TV and schools etc. I'm going to submit 4 Happy Bottom poems in the poetry competition posted in a forum and see how they get on. I suppose any success here would help. According to the blurb re the competition, there is concern regarding the decline in the number of children reading poetry and the markets are looking to address it. Maybe this is good for writers like me? I'm hoping through HB to encourage young readers and writers through an interactive website. Maybe a bit of innovation will help. Who knows? A difficult journey, that's for sure. I wish you every success with your books. Kind regards, Joella.

NMott at 09:02 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
In your honest opinion, is getting an agent or publisher the best route, even though they take a large percentage of the profit?


Profit is soley dependent on quantity of sales. If you self-published via a limited imprint, and, despite the initial high outlay, kept your costs to a minimum, you might get a 40% return selling directly at craft fairs, etc. But you wouldn't see any profict until you'd sold 60% of them, and then it would be a meagre profit over and above that, less travel costs, publicity, etc. Self-publishing should be treated more like and expensive hobby, than any way to make money.
If you submitted direct to agents and publishers, then there would be no (or minimal) outlay on your part, and any money oyu got would be profit, even after the publisher and agent have taken their cut.
The bigger problem is that agents and publishers dislike rhyming childrens boooks because part of their profit comes from the sale of foreign rights and rhymes are very difficult to translate well into other languages.
I would suggest doing the rounds of submissions and then go the self-publishing route if no-one takes it up.
As for generating interest after you self-publish, Yes, send out a press release to all your local newspapers and radio stations, etc, but most people buy such books if they have easy access to them after they hear or read about it, so you will need to talk nicely to your local bookshops and hope they stock a few copies for you.
As for competitions, yes, target them. In Hampshire there's one running as part of National Poetry Day, as they are looking for a local poet who will write 4 pieces of peotry over the year; there might be something similar in your region.
It's best to think of it as a long term project.

Joella at 09:09 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Thanks Naomi. I think that's sound advice. When book's put together, I'll probably try an agent or publisher first. Regards, Joella.

SusieL at 10:31 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Like everyone else, Joella, I love this poem - it brightened up a dull day no end. There's a lot of skill in creating a rhyming poem, and a humourous one even more so. Brilliant stuff. Looking forward to reading more.

NicciF at 10:57 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella

I read this with some trepidation as I currenlty have a bug which has decided to go south from my nose to my stomach. Ergo my bottom is far from happy. Sorry if too much info.

Despite my rumblings you had me hooked immediately. I sure that children will love it - anything to do with toilet humour is bound to be a winner. My godchildren love Poovious Versuvious (sp - the bug's also affecting the brain)

In addition to the 'technical' feedback already given the verse about the list of problems stands out as different - ie not 4 lines. It also changes from a ABCB rhyming pattern to AABBCCDDEF etc. Consider keeping the ABCB pattern or adopt AABBCC etc to the end of the list.

I was also considering the self-pulishing route for Isadora, seeing it as a challenge and something that I could really get my teeth into. I'd love dealing with all the marketting and publicity aspects and I'm not afraid of hard work. I also saw it as a way to keep control of the look and feel of the books. I decided not to go down the POD route the books would need to be colour illustrated so the cost would have been prohibative.

For months my family, friends and other writers mentioned a lot of the things that Naomi talks about re self publishing. Whilst people were talking to me about the negaitve aspects of sef publishing my mind was racing about how I could overcome these things and what a wonderful challenge it was. So nothing really put me off until I talked to a colleague/friend of my sister's.

Dave is a silversmith and knows nothing about writing (or children). However, he asked my one very insightful question.

"Do you want to be a writer or a one-man-band publisher?"

His reasoning being that yes I would probably do a brilliant job at promoting Isadora. However, how much time would it leave me for any other books I've got lurking in the background? Not much.

From that moment on my thoughts changed - ask me what I am and it's definitely a writer, not a future publisher.

Isn't is amazing that the right people come into your life at just the right time.

Nicci




ShellyH at 11:54 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella, I don't know much about poetry, but I do know that I really enjoyed reading this. Very clever and funny. Look forward to more.

Shelly

Joella at 13:26 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Susie, Nicci & Shelly. Thank you all for your generous comments. I'm so glad you liked Not So Cheap! There are loads more, not all so long.
Nicci, I hope you're soon feeling better. I'm just getting over the flu. I take your point about publishing. I hadn't really considered the time factor. I'm in two minds as to what to do, but might try an agent or publisher before I go it alone. Would you look for an agent or go straight to a publisher? Do you do your own illustrations? I have an artist who's prepared to take a gamble with me. Neither will get a penny unless it sells. Thought that was a bit of luck. He's got a degree in animation, went to Uni with my son. It's interesting that you picked up on the rhyming patterns. To be honest this particular part is taken out of the book version, which had some poetry. Thought I'd get away with it, if I said it was a list. Being a long poem, I wondered if a change would be a good idea? Anyway, I appreciate you being so thorough. I'm now going to read some more of your work. Regards, Joella.

NicciF at 16:52 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella

I'm glad you're finding the comments from the group helpful.

In terms of

Would you look for an agent or go straight to a publisher?

I'm very new to writing so that's also something I'm not to sure about. However, I'm sure there are others in the group who would be able to advise both of us.

Do you do your own illustrations?

You obviously also write comedy ; I find it difficult enough to draw a wonky line let alone a straight one.

Now that I've ready the poem out loud I think you're right about not changing the rhyming pattern. I'm sure with your talent it would be too difficult to play around with the order the of list so its ABCB.

Hope you're well on the mend from the flu - my tummy's still grumbling and the bug's gone back to its former self which was much more cold/flu like. Been feeling **** for 10days now, so starting to get really fed up.

Nicci

Joella at 17:43 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
Thanks Nicci. Think I might look for an agent. I did submit my novel 'Torn' to 3 agents. One of them received it Monday and had it back to me by Tuesday. Getting your work read is the difficult thing. I'm going to send submissions for Happy Bottom in an illustrated envelope! It will at least attract someone's attention. Hope your better soon. Regards, Joella.

NMott at 18:12 on 09 October 2009  Report this post
I have an artist who's prepared to take a gamble with me. Neither will get a penny unless it sells


You can take a gamble and submit the mss with illustrations, but one thing to bear in mind is publishers usually have their own band of illustrators, and usually don't take on illustated work unless it is the author themselves who has done the illustration.
Personally I would keep the illustrations for a time when you might be considering self-publication.

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Also, illustrators usually get a flat fee for the work, rather than a cut of the royalties, and so you should really pay up front if you are commissioning illustrations for the work.

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- I paid my illustrator £50 per picture.

Joella at 12:04 on 10 October 2009  Report this post
Good morning Noami and thanks for some more useful advice. I take on board what you are saying and you're probably right. For me however, paying up front for art work needed in book and website, isn't possible. The other thing is that I want control over the designs of my characters. I also want ownership of them, so I guess I'll have to see how this goes.
As I said, I'm entering 4 in a poetry competition which is including a children's poetry section for the first time for reasons below:

'Last year, serious concerns were raised about the decline in poetry reading among the young, and interested parties including the Poetry Book Society, The Literacy Trust and publisher Macmillan met to discuss strategies to tackle this problem. It emerged that very few new poetry books for children are currently being published, that those that are published are under-stocked by bookshops, and that primary school teachers often lack the knowledge and confidence they need to help their pupils to enjoy poetry'

I could take Happy Bottom into schools, read and teach poetry writing, so might try this avenue. Like everyone in WW, I'll have to see how things unfold - or not, as the case may be. I'm down loading more HB today. I'm presenting it in the order set in the book. I've redrafted the prologue to Torn, if you ever have time to have a look. I have changed things, not sure if for the best? Regards, Joella.

NMott at 19:08 on 10 October 2009  Report this post
The other thing is that I want control over the designs of my characters. I also want ownership of them, so I guess I'll have to see how this goes.


The self-publishing route would be the best course of action, then. If it was published by a traditional publisher, you would lose marketing and editorial control over them for the period that they own the publishing rights.

Joella at 17:06 on 11 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Naomi, I've been reading comments on the, Getting published forum. What a lot of info and very useful too. I think you were unfairly criticized. You made good points and I had no problem understanding what you were saying. It's good advise and I didn't take it that you are anti self publishing. Anyway, I'm going to self publish Happy Bottom. I'm not signing away all the rights to it. I'm going to run Happy Bottom as a business. Paul and I will have the opportunity to merchandise our character. I used to do this a bit when I was writing school shows. I'm well known locally, used to be in the local press because of the shows I produced. Happy Bottom is a local place. A friend of mine said that a local radio station ran an ad which mentioned Happy Bottom. I might try to get some sponsors, like I did for the shows. In Swanage there is a pub called The Piddle. There is a local brewery which sells ' Piddle in a Bottle.' You never know they might be interested in sponsoring the book. Must be worth a try. The other thing of course, is that Happy Bottom could become a book used in schools. I can certainly promote the book this way. So glad I learned what PoD casting is all about. Ever heard of Raider Publications? Regards, Joella.

NMott at 22:42 on 11 October 2009  Report this post
I'm glad to hear you're self-publishing, Joella I think you have the right local contacts, and the right mind set for it except that I think you may be hoping to make money out o the venture, and my expereince is that overheads in publicising oneself and the book quickly wipe them out.
Yes, treat it as a business, but it will mean putting up seedcorn money for a limited imprint. I've looked up Raider Publications but I would advise against it, as t seems to be little more than a PoD publisher. Ignore any publishing operation that advertises '50% of the profits go to the author', it means nothin. If it costs them £x to produce the book, then they can slap £a, £b, £c (pick any number) ontop of that and take 50% of it and call it profit. The important thing is 'unit cost', and that is the minimum you can print the book for. You should aim for 50% of the cost of similar books in the bookshop, because any retailer is gong to ask you for 40-60% off the retail price before they agree to stock it, and they won't pay you up front - including Amazon. They only pay you your cut when they make a sale. That is why it's best t sell direct to your target readeship, and to do that you will need stock, ie, a limited imprint of a few hundred copies.
If you PoD publish via publishers like Raider all you will end up with is an over priced product which no-one outside of family and freinds will buy.
I'll repeat, you are setting yourself up as a business, and Happy Bottom is your product, so you will need to invest in stock, and you will need to think of it in terms of a series of books to keep your growing readership happy, so your "profits" will need to be fed back into the business to produce new stock. As with any small business don't expect to make a profit in the early years.


- NaomiM

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I would also add, that with the Raider packages, distribution to 25000 outlets is meaningless. Any book with an ISBN number can be ordered via any bookshop by any reader.

With each 'package' you are basically getting only 5, 25, or 40 copies respectively for your cash.
You could get a limited imprint of several hundred copies with an ISBN number for the same amount as their Silver package.

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I would look around your local area for a local printer to do the work at a reasonable price.

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Bear in mind that self-publishing is like selling home-made jam. It's great stuff but not everyone likes strawberry.

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...sorry, I'm sure there was a point there, somewhere :)

There is an awful lot of competition out there, and a lot of your sales are going to be impulse buys, especially where you can sell face to face, so that's why you need stock.

As for the local angle, you could be your local area's 'Pam Ayres' :)

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Oh, I've just remembered what the point of the strawberry jam was.
It is very easy to think that just because it's good, and in easily transportable format, and available (eg, via Amazon), that it will automatically sell.
It won't.
There is a lot of competition out there, and face to face selling, and then via word of mouth, are pretty much the only sure fire ways of selling it when you first start out.

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Oh, and the other thing about jam is, you will be a 'retailer' with only one 'product' - basically putting all your eggs in one basket - so look to diversify in any way possible.

NicciF at 08:03 on 12 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella

Its very interesting to hear that you're going to go down the self publishing route. I think I would have continued that way with Isadora if I was illustrating the books myself, or using someone I already.

Please let me know how you get on, either via this group, or via my email. If you're interested I've got the details of a great independent printer. I've known him in a professional capacity for years, although he's never actually done any work for me. I've talked to him about two self publishing projects - he had loads of advice etc. Let me know if you'd like his details.

Good luck.

Nicci


FelixBenson at 16:02 on 20 October 2009  Report this post
Well Joella - it is certainly funny and keeps up the momentum all the way to the end. 'An enjoyable romp' is the sort of phrase that comes to my mind after reading this!

It looks like you have got loads of postive feedback already - I am happy to add my voice to that chorus, and agree that the puns work well and the end rhyme satisfies. It is all very carefully contructed.

I am left with a very colourful image in my mind of Major Anthony Payne and his new house! I could imagine that it would be the sort of book that would work really well with detailed illustrations as a companion to the words. That would really compliment the story - I think - I can sort of imagine what Major Payne would look like.

thanks for posting, I enjoyed the read!

Kirsty

Joella at 17:21 on 20 October 2009  Report this post
Thank you, Kirsty, for taking the time and trouble to read this. I amend the poems according to the feedback, so it is useful to get opinions on updated work. Your comment re illustrations is interesting, because the Happy Bottom characters are being designed at the moment. There are a whole series of poems which, when read in order, build into a story. I appreciate your comments. Pleased you enjoyed it. Regards, Joella.

James Graham at 10:59 on 22 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella - Glad to see you've had so many helpful comments, about the poem and about publishing. Probably there are some details of the verse, odds and ends that need to be 'polished', but I've no doubt my grandchildren would have hugely enjoyed this. (It's too late - one's now at University and the other will be going soon!) The word-play on names etc would have had them doubled up, and they would have been greatly entertained by the craziness of the Major Payne character. I certainly hope your poems will be published, by whatever route, and be enjoyed by some of the new lot of kids just coming along.

James.

Joella at 17:56 on 22 October 2009  Report this post
Thank you, James, for taking the time to read and comment on my poem. I know some 'odds and ends' need polishing, but did you notice anything specific that you thought I should work on? I am trying to edit all of the poems and comments from WW members have been extremely helpful. Regards, Joella.

freynolds at 17:51 on 23 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella,

What an entertaining and light-hearted poem! I'm sure kids will love it. Good luck with the book.

Fabienne

SarahT at 00:13 on 24 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella,

I seem to have missed this so far. I'm not sure how that happened but then I do go around in a bubble sometimes! Anyway, I thought it was a lovely, bouncy poem and I could really see it appealing to children. And I totally agree about the lovely punning names!

It does need a little polishing. I think the thing that stuck out for me was the way the rhythm and lines get slightly less polished and slightly looser as you progress through the poem. I'm sure you've checked it but I think that sometimes, if you start at the beginning of a piece of work, the beginning can become over-polished to the detriment of the end. Maybe start editing/tidying it up backwards the next time you look at it.

In particular, I think that the scanning starts to get messy for several of the verses after the one starting 'Finally, all was ready...'. The verse starting ‘Like it?’ he thought, ‘I couldn’t live in it' seems to have too many beats in each of the lines, in comparison to the rest of the poem. I think this can all be resolved with tweaking. In the first instance, I would suggest that you go through and check the beat count for each line carefully. Knowing how my children read poems, I would say that a tight rhythm is one of the most important things to get right in children's poetry.

A few other comments. Personally, I thought that this verse was a little redundant;

'Everyone cheered and applauded,
the day had finally come
All pleased to meet the Major
if not a pain in the ... neck?'

I think this was possibly because I was distracted by the last line and didn't quite get it.

I think you need a bit of a punctuation change in this verse:

He liked the idea of a ‘cheap’ house,
but not the fact Wally couldn't spell
decided though, not to inform him
as he mightn't take it too well.


Can I suggest you turn it into two sentences of two lines each?

Finally, all was ready
cheep house admired by all


I think you need a 'The' at the beginning of the second line.

Hope this is useful.

Sarah






James Graham at 12:54 on 24 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Joella - I did say something about bits of the poem that I thought needed ‘polishing’. It’s just that there are some lines where the rhythm seems to be broken or lost. What follows is a disgraceful mutilation of one of your verses, but it’s a typographical way I have of showing the strong and weak stresses that make verse lines more or less regular.

“WELL, do yeh LIKE it?” said WALly
SATisfied ALL was compLETE
But the MAjor, BOILing in his OWN BLOOD
thought only WORDS he DARE not repEAT.


This is the way I would stress certain syllables if reading aloud (or ‘aloud to myself’). The first two lines are regular: a stressed syllable is followed by two unstressed syllables. That works well. But the third line is irregular: two unstressed, one stressed, one unstressed, one stressed, THREE unstressed, TWO stressed.

The fourth line is a bit irregular too. As an example of smoothing it out - quite easily - I could suggest

thought WORDS he DAREN’T rePEAT.


That’s ‘de-DUM-de-DUM-de-DUM’ which is maybe even too regular. The third line needs more of a change to smooth it out, but I can’t think of a suggestion. To omit ‘own’ would make a difference. An unrhymed line is usually easier to change, because it doesn’t depend on the rhyming word.

I know you’ve written lots of poems and hope this doesn’t seem too much like an elementary lesson. I don’t think there are many lines in the poem like the third line of this verse. Throughout the poem I find the rhythm changing quite a lot, from verse to verse and line to line, to good effect, giving the poem more vitality and not letting it get monotonous. Only a few lines seem to stumble.

I’ll leave it at that meantime so I can check with you - if you think it’s helpful or not. Let me know.

James.

Joella at 12:24 on 25 October 2009  Report this post
Hi Sarah and thank you for taking the time to read and respond to this poem. I have taken on board what ypu've saId and made changes in light of your comments.

'Everyone cheered and applauded,
the day had finally come
All pleased to meet the Major
if not a pain in the ... neck?'

This verse has proved tricky and I'm glad you mentioned it. I have considered deleting it, only it has been popular with children who've read / listened to it. However, I've made numerous changes to the last 2 lines and even now think:

All pleased to meet a Major
who could prove a pain in the ...neck! might be better.

The prediction on the line of course is 'bum' - so 'neck' is the humour in this verse. Whether it will make it to the final cut, not sure.

I added 'the' as you suggested and also turned verse you mentioned into 2 sentences. All of this adds to the gradual improvement. So thank you! Regards, Joella.

Joella at 12:31 on 25 October 2009  Report this post
Hello James and thank you for getting back to me on this poem. The way you explain the irregular rhythm is great. I completely understand what you are saying and have made changes as suggested. I so appreciate your advice as I'm no poetry expert. What I write is simple, not particularly sophisticated or difficult, so to have someone pull me up on weaknesses, is just what I need. Hopefully, this way I will learn more about poetry and function as a more enlightened member of this group. Regards, Joella.

NicciF at 15:42 on 25 October 2009  Report this post
Hi James

I just wanted to add my "Thanks" to Joella's. Your illustration was easy to understand and a technique I will use in future, although it must take hours to write in this way.

Perhaps with practice I'll be able to do it without resorting to a visual aid.

I'm learning so much from this group - so thanks to everyone who's taking the time to explain things in such an easy way to understand.

Nicci



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